The latest version of the Opera browser sends multiple invalid requests to our servers for every page you visit.The most common causes of this issue are: The authoritative record of NPR’s programming is the audio record.Your IP address has been temporarily blocked due to a large number of HTTP requests. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at for further information. Thank you so much for your reporting.Ĭopyright © 2023 NPR. SHAPIRO: Miles Herszenhorn is a reporter for The Harvard Crimson. And even though that's what she wants to be doing, time and time again, she has been distracted by controversies and scandals that she really wishes should not have to face. And it seems to be really clear, at least from looking at the initial days after she took office, that she wanted to be on campus, meet students, meet members of the faculty. What nobody was expecting was that this backlash over the university's response to the fighting in Israel and Gaza would occur, and that she would have to steer Harvard through a different controversy. That was the crisis, and that was the controversy that she was hired to steer Harvard through. HERSZENHORN: It's important to remember that she assumed the presidency two days after the Supreme Court ruled against Harvard in a landmark affirmative action case that effectively ended the use of affirmative action in higher education admissions. If you could describe what her tenure has been like, apart from this controversy, how would you characterize it? She is the first Black president in Harvard history. SHAPIRO: Just to take a step back, she only took office in July. Immediately afterwards, Harvard Hillel, the university's Jewish center, released a statement saying that her remarks during the hearing called into question her ability to keep Jewish students safe on this campus. But her testimony had the complete opposite effect. President Gay went to Washington and agreed to testify, in part because she hoped it would quell the controversy against Harvard. My colleague Claire and I sat down with President Gay, and she told us that she was sorry for the impact that it had on students. Can you tell us more about that conversation and what else you learned from it? SHAPIRO: You and your fellow reporters interviewed President Gay, and she apologized about her testimony. And I think we are hearing more and more people speak up. But I think some students believe that this does not rise to the level where she should be forced to step down. The fact that she might be asked to resign before then is really remarkable. She has not completed her first semester in office as president. Some people are really concerned that her presidency might be coming to an end. SHAPIRO: Why do you think the students are expressing support for her? What do they say when you talk to them? But for the most part, the student body has been a little bit more silent than perhaps lawmakers in Washington or even more vocal alumni on social media. I do believe that there is increasing support for Claudine Gay coming from the student body, especially now that people are becoming aware that it is very possible that her presidency is in peril. And everybody is holed up in libraries, focused on their studies. HERSZENHORN: It's tough to get a really good sense of where the student body is at, partially because we're in the middle of finals season at Harvard. SHAPIRO: Can you describe how the student body has reacted to the president's testimony from last week? MILES HERSZENHORN: Thank you for having me on. Miles Herszenhorn is a junior who's covering the story for the university newspaper, The Harvard Crimson. SHAPIRO: Harvard's governing body is meeting today to discuss Gay's future. GAY: Targeted as an individual, targeted at an individual. Gay, at Harvard, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Harvard's rules of bullying and harassment, yes or no?ĬLAUDINE GAY: It can be, depending on the context. Here's an exchange Harvard's president, Claudine Gay, had with Republican Representative Elise Stefanik of New York.ĮLISE STEFANIK: And, Dr. This comes after they testified before Congress about increasing antisemitism on college campuses. After the president of the University of Pennsylvania resigned over the weekend, Harvard's president is now under pressure to do the same.
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